Former general says he knows how powerful North Korea's military is

"I try to explain to the Americans — if we have to go into North Korea, it is not going to be like going into Iraq or Afghanistan. It’s not going to be like toppling (ex-Iraqi President Saddam) Hussein. This would be more like trying to get rid of Allah," said I.-B. Chun, referring to the Arabic word for God.

He was speaking to a group of journalists and North Korea policy experts at a think tank in central London late Wednesday. "I said to my team: Can you imagine what that would look like? King Jong Un and his family is a cult in North Korea."

The Kim dynasty has ruled North Korea since its founding in 1948. Each of its three leaders — first Kim Il Sung, then Kim Jong Il and now Kim Jong Un — has inspired an intense, devotional following that has kept them in power.

In her new book, North Korea: The Country We Love to Hate, political analyst Loretta Napoleoni describes North Korea's ruling "juche" philosophy that values self-reliance and extreme nationalism "as a modern religion, similar to Scientology, a non-transcendental doctrine with a twist of absurdity and plenty of dogmas."

"I have had the opportunity to speak to North Korean soldiers who have defected to South Korea — and you cannot imagine how indoctrinated they are. These are people who have defected, and yet there is still an innate belief in their system which is close to ridiculous," said Chun, who retired 18 months ago after serving in South Korea's military for almost 40 years. He rose as high as deputy commander of the First South Korean Army, a position that also involved leading the country's special forces. According to Chun, who lives just 35 miles from North Korea, the challenges allied forces would face in the event of war with Kim Jong Un's North Korea include:— The majority of its military infrastructure is deep underground, a reaction to the massive bombing of the North by U.S. forces during the Korean War, which ended in 1953.— From the age of 14, every North Korean is given 100 hours of training each year in how to shoot a weapon, fire an RPG, throw a grenade, pitch a tent and other survival skills. "North Korea is militarized far beyond the (West's) imagination," Chun said. — While the North Korean air force is significantly outdated, with approximately 1,000 old fighter jets, these would not be used for air combat, but for kamikaze-style attacks. "They will load them with a lot of fuel, some bombs, and tell the pilot, 'That is your target and you need to destroy it,'" he said. — The regime has chemical and biological weapons. Chun said estimates put it at between 2,500 and 5,000 tons.— It has artillery and rockets that directly threaten the capital city of Seoul, one of the largest metropolitan areas in the world with a population of 25 million people. — North Korea has 1.3 million active members of the military and 7.7 million reserves. It has 200,000 special forces whose official name translates as "monkey units," a reference, Chun says, to the "doped-up disrupting role they would play" in any conflict.— In the event of a foreign attack or invasion, North Koreans would stay loyal to Kim Jong Un in the immediate term. "They have a system where five to 10 families are organized into a group, and if a single person from that group misbehaves the entire five or 10 families go to the gulag or are executed. So everybody spies on everybody else. It is a great mechanism for keeping people under control," he said. Chun is also a former national security adviser to South Korea's President Moon Jae-in when he was running for office. He first gained prominence in South Korea in 1983 as a young lieutenant when he was credited with saving the life of a senior South Korean general during a terrorist bombing in Burma. Later, he became one of the most senior contact points for U.S. military commanders in South Korea. He gave his assessment of the threats facing Seoul and Washington amid reports, including in The Wall Street Journal, that despite an apparent easing in tensions this week after the first talks between North and South Korea in two years, President Trump's administration is still teetering between launching a preemptive strike on Pyongyang over its pursuit of nuclear weapons, and holding out for diplomacy."A lot of good talks are going on — a lot of good energy. I like what I'm seeing," Trump said on Wednesday. North Korea has agreed to send a delegation to next month’s Winter Olympics in the South and hold military talks aimed at easing frontline animosities.Still, Chun said Pyongyang was ready for war and was "one huge barracks."He said North Korea's latest missile test, in November last year, indicated that its intercontinental ballistic missiles were capable of striking the U.S. mainland, including Washington, D.C. "But that’s assuming it only has a 150 kg warhead," Chun said. "If it had a 500 kg warhead — which is what we think it would need to have nuclear capability — it probably would not reach the capital. The North Koreans do not really have that capability, and this is where the window still exists for them to cease. If they want to broker a deal with the Americans, they need to do it now."Chun said that over the course of his military career he had become convinced "if you want peace, the only proven lesson is you must prepare for war. Yes, there is a military option for North Korea. But it’s like having a toothache and having to pull out all of your teeth. It should be the last option — and heaven forbid we have to use it."